I've no idea how true or not these claims are about Jermaine Lindsay (
London bomber ), but I keep seeing them pop-up widely in UK, US reports and
elsewhere, for example ...

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/tm_objectid=15742957&method=full&siteid=94762&h
eadline=7-7--war-on-briatin--prize-fighter--name_page.html

<quotes>

Yesterday, it was claimed that Lindsay was tracked by FBI agents when he
visited relatives in America.

British officials had asked the US to keep tabs on him while he stayed with
family in Cleveland in 1994 and 2000.

During the 2000 visit, the FBI put him under close surveillance.

He entered the US despite being on a terrorist watch list, but on his return
British intelligence allegedly lost track of him.

One official said: "He was on the radar, then he was off the radar."

As a teenager in Huddersfield, he attended Rawthorpe High School, leaving in
2002

</quotes>

Lindsay is being widely said to be aged 19, so as an 8 year old he was being
suspected of something so much that the UK asked the US to keep tabs on him
? What does an 8 year old have to do to attract the attention of British
Intelligence ? I can only imagine he was suspected of being a "mule" on
behalf of other known terrorists / 'bad guys'.

But after his 2000 visit ( which appears to coincide with his conversion to
Islam ), how can British Intelligence lose track of someone aged 14, and
still attending a known school ?

Something about these claims just don't feel right.

On Mon, 18 Jul 2005 17:18:06 GMT, The Happy Hippy 
    wrote:


> I've no idea how true or not these claims are about Jermaine Lindsay (
> London bomber ), but I keep seeing them pop-up widely in UK, US reports and
> elsewhere, for example ...
> 
> http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/tm_objectid=15742957&method=full&siteid=94762&h
> eadline=7-7--war-on-briatin--prize-fighter--name_page.html
> 
> <quotes>
> 
> Yesterday, it was claimed that Lindsay was tracked by FBI agents when he
> visited relatives in America.
> 
> British officials had asked the US to keep tabs on him while he stayed with
> family in Cleveland in 1994 and 2000.
> 
> During the 2000 visit, the FBI put him under close surveillance.
> 
> He entered the US despite being on a terrorist watch list, but on his return
> British intelligence allegedly lost track of him.
> 
> One official said: "He was on the radar, then he was off the radar."
> 
> As a teenager in Huddersfield, he attended Rawthorpe High School, leaving in
> 2002
> 
> </quotes>


Do you have any better source for those quotes (or ones like them) than
the Mirror?  I assume you do, since you say tyhat "pop-up widely", but I
haven't seen them.


> Lindsay is being widely said to be aged 19, so as an 8 year old he was being
> suspected of something so much that the UK asked the US to keep tabs on him
> ? What does an 8 year old have to do to attract the attention of British
> Intelligence ? I can only imagine he was suspected of being a "mule" on
> behalf of other known terrorists / 'bad guys'.


Weird, certainly.


> But after his 2000 visit ( which appears to coincide with his conversion to
> Islam ), how can British Intelligence lose track of someone aged 14, and
> still attending a known school ?


Indeed.  If the British Intelligence people[1] can "lose track" of a 14
year old schoolboy it doesn't say much for their abilities...

[1] Cue standard joke about "Military Intelligence" being a
contradiction...


> Something about these claims just don't feel right.


Indeed.

Chris C

On Mon, 18 Jul 2005 17:18:06 GMT, "The Happy Hippy"
 wrote:


>I've no idea how true or not these claims are about Jermaine Lindsay (
>London bomber ), but I keep seeing them pop-up widely in UK, US reports and
>elsewhere, for example ...
>
>http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/tm_objectid=15742957&method=full&siteid=94762&h
>eadline=7-7--war-on-briatin--prize-fighter--name_page.html
>
><quotes>
>
>Yesterday, it was claimed that Lindsay was tracked by FBI agents when he
>visited relatives in America.
>
>British officials had asked the US to keep tabs on him while he stayed with
>family in Cleveland in 1994 and 2000.
>
>During the 2000 visit, the FBI put him under close surveillance.
>
>He entered the US despite being on a terrorist watch list, but on his return
>British intelligence allegedly lost track of him.
>
>One official said: "He was on the radar, then he was off the radar."
>
>As a teenager in Huddersfield, he attended Rawthorpe High School, leaving in
>2002
>
></quotes>
>
>Lindsay is being widely said to be aged 19, so as an 8 year old he was being
>suspected of something so much that the UK asked the US to keep tabs on him
>? What does an 8 year old have to do to attract the attention of British
>Intelligence ? I can only imagine he was suspected of being a "mule" on
>behalf of other known terrorists / 'bad guys'.
>
>But after his 2000 visit ( which appears to coincide with his conversion to
>Islam ), how can British Intelligence lose track of someone aged 14, and
>still attending a known school ?
>
>Something about these claims just don't feel right.


It was in the Mirror! What do you expect?

But then, with stories like this around, Blair wonders why he isnt
believed. (A general remark. I appreciate he wasnt in power in 94.) It
still is a source of amusement that a google search for liar still has
him as their number one choice! (Though "fuckwit" Prescot appears now
to be free!)





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www.senaction.com

"Chris Croughton"  wrote in message
news:slrnddntqt.7rr.chris@ccserver.keris.net...

> On Mon, 18 Jul 2005 17:18:06 GMT, The Happy Hippy
>     wrote:
>
> > I've no idea how true or not these claims are about Jermaine Lindsay (
> > London bomber ), but I keep seeing them pop-up widely in UK, US reports
and
> > elsewhere, for example ...
> >
> >

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/tm_objectid=15742957&method=full&siteid=94762&h

> > eadline=7-7--war-on-briatin--prize-fighter--name_page.html
> >
> > <quotes>
> >
> > Yesterday, it was claimed that Lindsay was tracked by FBI agents when he
> > visited relatives in America.
> >
> > British officials had asked the US to keep tabs on him while he stayed
with
> > family in Cleveland in 1994 and 2000.
> >
> > During the 2000 visit, the FBI put him under close surveillance.
> >
> > He entered the US despite being on a terrorist watch list, but on his
return
> > British intelligence allegedly lost track of him.
> >
> > One official said: "He was on the radar, then he was off the radar."
> >
> > As a teenager in Huddersfield, he attended Rawthorpe High School,
leaving in
> > 2002
> >
> > </quotes>
>
> Do you have any better source for those quotes (or ones like them) than
> the Mirror?  I assume you do, since you say tyhat "pop-up widely", but I
> haven't seen them.


Most I read were linked from Google News, The Mirror was the one which I had
a link to. Others have either dropped out the cache, I'm not searching for
the right keywords, or they've changed their page text ( an annoying BBC
trait ).

Most reports I can find now are much less specific, often just saying - "The
Times said Jamal was said by US intelligence sources to have been on a
terrorist watch list and was monitored when he visited relatives in the
United States, but he had dropped "off the radar". Those appear to be
Reuters reports.

So, no better sources for the quotes. And a number probably were the Mirror
story taken and re-hashed. Many did refer to "Washington sources" and were
equally probably re-hashes of each other's reports. Most were 14-15 July
AFAIR.

Having ploughed through Google, the number of times "It is reported that
...." crops up is unbelievable. Does news actually have any facts these days
?

[snip]


> > Something about these claims just don't feel right.
>
> Indeed.


Explainable if a Mirror reporter did set out to sensationalise and
exaggerate.